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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:17:00 -
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CaptainTr1cky wrote: Every time i sit my ass in a plex i have my mind set to 2 priorities .. 1 getting a fight and 2 if fights don't come atleast i do my faction good and make some money on the side , but every time i see people on short scan on the gate they are either in ships that could be a balanced fight but they end up leaving cause , and i quote ( not actually copy paste since i didint copy it at the time ) " i don't feel like puttin my ship at risk right now " so they leave ..... that or they bring 3-4 ships to challenge me which obviously 90% of the time i got no chance if they are able pilots and bring the right ships .
Now i can understand the concept of ganking a person , u do it i do it we all do it cause its eve .. but lets be honest .. who in his right mind will stay in that plex to get ganked by several ships , u must be dumwhited and not warp of to a safe .
So my question is , if people want a fight and not just simply humiliate ( or try ) they're opponent , then why not try to be a good target , one that will make your enemy think hmm yea that might work lets give it a shot !
No offence to the minmatars i'm sure my amarr colegues do the same but rly .. u guys either bring 20 vs 1 or u bring something that most definitly has the greatest advantage and the enemy has no chance ( like say u have your booster in the system , obv ) U guys are at t3/t4 u make alot of isk and u can't put a rifter/slasher or a thrasher on the line ?
One time i was in a cruiser and 3 dessies showed up at the gate .. naturaly i was polite and told em yes please come in .. they left cause well ... apparently a t1 cruiser was to much for 3 destroyers ....
Few minmatars really do give good fights and i apreciate em for that ... or maybe i'm just not lookin in the right place .
Tell me i'm wrong and call me a noob , thats just how i see it
Welcome to eve. The developers think all pvp is the same whether it is ganks or good fights. They just count killmails. So either give up on eve or be prepared to waste allot of your life waiting for good fights. CCP views all pvp like hunting where you wait around for hours and hours and every now and then get to shoot a deer. If that is not your thing then eve really doesn't offer anything for you.
Obvious ideas that would bring about more frequent quality pvp in faction war were ignored by ccp when they revamped faction war. It simply was not and is not a priority. They are now moving on to null sec issues where good fights will have no importance. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:26:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:The trick, at least IMHO, is to bring something to the fight that the enemy underestimates and won't run from. Is there an enemy Thrasher running a medium in your system? You can up ship and watch him run or call friends and the same. Or you can take him on in your Tristan knowing his DPS is crap after 6km and the AB, web, scram and 7.5k EHP will insure that your little Tristan survives long enough to get to 8km kite range. (Just barely with 6% structure left but a win is a win  ) If you understand the mechanics well enough you can pull off some great wins.
This is of course true, but even flying around in a t1 frigate you will often have nights where you spend 2 hours "roaming around" and get nothing. Yes sometimes you will get several fights in a hour and that is great. It would be great if ccp did the obvious mechanics changes that would make that happen more often, but they dont. So really very little of your time will be spent in good fights in eve allot more of your time will be wasted on much more boring stuff like "roaming" and "hunting."
-Cearain's alt |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:29:00 -
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jjohnpaul xvii wrote:...Edit > Theres yet another ''we have no good fights'' whiner above this post. This is a common theme amongst stoopid people and its absolutely inexcusable. It makes my stool itch.
Just giving this guy some truth in advertising. Some people think its great if you get 1 or 2 good fights in 2 hours time. You can average that in faction war. But you will also have a few nights where you spend your 2 hours of free time and no good fights happen.
-Cearain's alt
Edit: BTW: 1-2 good fights in 2 hours is not cutting it for me. I think fw should have 4-7 good fights in 2 hours. If this player thinks that will happen he is simply mistaken. CCP has decided not to do the things that would allow that. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:18:00 -
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jjohnpaul xvii wrote:This argument has been had before Cearain (i think with X-Gal). Personally i don't think you are aggressive enough, and/or have enough reships available. .
I have about 14 billion in ships and fittings in kamela and egg plus a few ships deep in metro. Of course you are right that reshipping has delayed the amount of pvp due to station lock outs. But again that just proves that frequency of the pvp is not at issue ccp cares about.
As far as agressive I often fly t1 frigates and will attack most destroyers and faction frigates, and even some t2 frigates and cruisers with it. I will also usually fight 2 to one and sometimes even more if they are spread out. Cearain's killboard and Cearaen's killboard can speak for itself. Maybe take a look at it before you tell me I am not agressive.
You are right I had an argument with xg about this. I tried to get him to answer whether he would get 4-7 fights per 2 hours and I don't believe he would ever answer that. Instead he would just randomly post some kills and claim he made that kill within 5 seconds of signing in. Whatever, anyone can get lucky and do that every now and then. But when you look at his killboard you will see that there are often long delays between kills and losses. Maybe he was signed out maybe he was roaming around.
My experience is that in fw you may have several spells where you waste an hour or more roaming around with no good fight. People can make claims all they want but I will trust my own eyes.
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:Two of the top 10 recent players on the BC Kill board are FW players so i just don't accept your argument. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/ Look at players like Saly Va and (hate saying this) Voody Voodoo from your side and then tell me there isnt opportunity for pew .
Being the top in the BC killboard shows that you have allot of time to play. It in now way gives any information as to the frequency of good fights that you get. If I were unemployed and had no family then I would be able to get allot of kills as well because i coudl be online all the time. But for someone that only wants to spend a few hours a week on a computer game eve is horrible.
Also I would agree that faction war gives you more pvp opportunities than other places in eve.(possible exception of rvb) So I am not surprised that the top bc players are in it. That is one of the reasons I do faction war. But Eve still sucks for frequent quality pvp as a whole and FW is not good enough. Again if you think getting one or 2 good fights in 2 hours is great then maybe its for you. But thats not cutting it for me. It wastes too much of my time with boring roaming and "hunting".
jjohnpaul xvii wrote:This There is a plethora of pew out there if you know how to find it and vary your tactics accordingly. IMHO you could easily get double or triple that number of fights. Its not the opportunity that is missing its the methods you are applying.
You have no clue what I do yet you claim I am doing it wrong. XG Zarnak and others have all posted what they do. I do the same thing. I think I am just actually watching the clock a little closer and realizing how much time is actually passing between fights than allot of the players who claim they are getting so many fights. Their killboards never substantiate that you can get that number of fights on average. Chatgris came closest to actually providing any sort of proof. But that was just a single 2 hour stint. Its not like you could look at his killboard and see that he is getting 4-7 good fights per 2 hours.
jjohnpaul xvii wrote: People like Private Tr1cky and others complain about blob in the same sentence as complaining about having no opportunity to PvP. The wasted irony is that the Blob is a metric tonne of PVP thats actually coming looking for you! .
No its not. Unless you can get them to spread out, and are in a nano ship, or get your own blob. The first happens only occassionally and the latter takes more time than its worth for several reasons.
jjohnpaul xvii wrote: This is not ''leet PVPz'' only open to a select few special chosen pilots. This is no private club for Ice man and Goose. Its not even a private club for the likes of Hollywood and Wolfman. Any one can do this. There are resources out there, there are courses out there, there are videos and forum posts out there, there are fits. Short of some guy coming round to these people houses, logging in and actually clicking in space for them its all spelt out how to do.
Its accessible, its fricking awesome, and like all rewarding things > it just needs some forethought, some learning, some application and some practice.
JP like I said you no nothing about what I do but you assume I don't do these things. Let me see a killboard where its clear this person is reliably getting 4-7 good fights per 2 hours. But until you can actually back up your claims with that I have to believe you (like many others) are not really keeping track of your time when you play this game. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:37:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Then TBH brosef, you are playing the wrong game. Should probably just move on to something with more structure and rules and less sandbox. You don't get it, Eve has been and always will be what you make of it. CCP isn't responsible for providing me with content...I am. They simply give me the tools to do so. ground ctrl wrote: Lots of stuff
The problem I have with the game is not that it is a sandbox. Its not that it is complex (its really not that complex) or anything like that.
Its that the mechanics do not promote frequent quality pvp.
These are different issues.
But you are right people like myself and the op will move on to other games. What will be left are people who don't mind that you can pretty much only get one or 2 good fights in 2 hours. Its a shame ccp can't do something for people who do not have so much time to waste. But it is in fact clear that the only players they want, are those with tons of time to waste. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 18:49:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:But you are incorrect, they do. I spend usually 10-15 hours a week playing and average 75-150 kills per week while maintaining that level of play. Are all these kills solo? No, but I would say at least 50% are really good fights, 25% are noobs who don't know me and should of run, and 25% are ganks. How many gudfites does that translate into per hour? I am not sure, but if I had to guess it would be somewhere around 4-6. Is that typical for everyone? No. Can anyone do it? Yes ground ctrl wrote:
Its that the mechanics do not promote frequent quality pvp.
Kills doesn't equal fights. I might get 5 kills in a single fight.
Also looking at the times between fights I think you are playing more than 10-15 hours a week.
I'm not saying you are deliberately misrepresenting anything, but I am saying it is very easy for lots of time to go by in this game. It used to happen to me as well.
But also by "good/decent fight" I would count killing the noobs if they were in a ship that could have been competitive. I wouldn't count killing a pod as a good fight - even though it might pay well.
You and Chatgris come closest to what I am talking about but your killboard does not substantiate 4-7 decent fights per 2 hours. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:11:00 -
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It Looks like he got slept for about 8 hours on dec 31st and in the remaining 16 hours got about 20 fights.
How many were good/decent fights I don't know but given the relatively low point scores on BC and the fact that he didn't lose a single ship I doubt the percent is high but lets say he got about 10 good fights. Getting 1-2 decent fights per 2 hours is pretty good for eve. But its not really cutting it for me.
Like I said its easy for people to lose track of just how much time they are spending. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 21:18:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:How come when solo PvP comes up it's always under the guise of Factional Warfare in low-sec?
Because that has traditionally been one of the best ways to find it.
Although now you might be better off just doing solo pvp as a pirate and not in fw. That way you have more targets and can dock anywhere you want. |

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Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.11 22:06:00 -
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Gah'Matar wrote:Somehow I still get 2-10 solo kills per week, solo must be dead. .
Do you think that is allot of solo kills?
Gah'Matar wrote: Some are ganks (noobs, way outclassed, farmers), some are gfs (way outclassed the other way, "fair" match up, boosted and it made no difference). I also lose a lot of ships v0v.
In other words, htfu.
huh? |

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Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.13 17:37:00 -
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chatgris wrote:ground ctrl wrote:come closest to what I am talking about but your killboard does not substantiate 4-7 decent fights per 2 hours. Every now and then I try a few new things, but generally IMO eve needs a companion game like league of legends (LoL). Pretty much what I do is 1) Log into eve, roam for fights. 2) If 15-30 minutes go by and there's nothing to shoot, go play LoL 3) During the LoL game people will usually hop in and tell me when something is happenning, or I read intel channels/quickly undock between games and take a look around. If I find something interesting, or I just want a break from LoL, goto 1), else back to Lol!
I'm not familiar with LoL.
If they just gave us a notification system where we could see where plexes are being captured we would easilly get 4-7 decent fights in 2 hours. They decided to keep the hide and seek pve plexing mechanic, were you just wander around hoping to run into someone to fight. |
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Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.13 21:15:00 -
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chatgris wrote:ground ctrl wrote: I'm not familiar with LoL.
If they just gave us a notification system where we could see where plexes are being captured we would easilly get 4-7 decent fights in 2 hours. They decided to keep the hide and seek pve plexing mechanic, were you just wander around hoping to run into someone to fight.
Fw is incredibly dense for small gang fights vs anywhere else in eve, possibly save for rvb. .
I agree with this and have said that myself. (but see the bit about being a pirate post retribution) But the rest of eve is horribly boring. I wouldn't even consider playing if it weren't for faction war.
chatgris wrote: This isn't a game where you can literally fight 24/7 ....
It should be, or at least there should be room in the eve universe for this option. FW should be the way to do this for those who want it. We are joining the largest persistant wardec in the game. We should be able to fight 24/7! CCP could have easilly done this by simply letting us know where and when complexes are being attacked so we can get right to the fighting instead of roaming around wasting time.
chatgris wrote: Once you have won at pvp and there's no-one around for a little while, you can farm ISK in eve. Or you can spin buttons if occupancy warfare is your primary goal (while making ISK!). Or, if you have enough ISK my solution is to go play another game until there's something else to shoot at.
Alternatively, if all you want out of eve is constant, neverending fights - there's a special system on the Test server with beacons where everyone warps and constantly fights with pretty much free ships. Don't know the system, and I've never done that, but people talk on the forums all the time. It's probably somewhere in the Test Server forum in a sticky the system that allows ffa pvp..
I am not interested in meaningless fights. I did the rvb thing and the arranged fight bit. I want a true war context. Both sides should do the best they can to win and that should *require* allot of pvp. I don't want a system where you can either choose to fight for sov or choose to pvp.
I want to feel that I am fighting for something. I want the losses to count. All of this would be offered if they just would have the complexes give a notice when they are attacked. That way I and everyone else in faction war, can get right to the fighting.
The isk you make may be enough to sustain the very slow paced pvp we have now. But if they notified us of plexes being entered there would be allot more loses and that isk would actually be used up. That is why it is also important that the economics are not horribly skewed.
chatgris wrote: The main reason I'm still in eve are the killmails - generally pvp is fun and available in a lot of games, but what makes eve different for me is that it's very enjoyable to look back at every kill and loss and see the history, see every single module and item on the ship, see the points accrued where you took on the odds, see how your enemy flies theirs ships and come up with counters/just take their ideas and adapt.
I agree kms are pretty neat with eve. But I want a bit more. In the end I need that context for the fights other than just basically a series of arranged duels or random scuffles.
CCP are the game developers they can push fw to the next level by giving notifications of when plexes are taken. But they chose to keep the actual sov warfare a mind numbing hide and seek pve game. I will keep pushing them to change that until all my accounts run out.
Now if you just want killmails then I would say you would be better off as a pirate. I think you can still open plexes and fight in them but you will be able to fight both sides. Plus, did I mention, you will be able to put ship replacements wherever you want? |

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Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.14 14:18:00 -
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Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:SaltyandSweet wrote:chatgris wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote: There are so many options to evade pressing that nasty undock button, who wants to do it, its so dangerous. Lolwut? Looking at your killboard, I have far more kill activity than you, far more solo kills than you, and I'm even being generous and leaving your daredevil fits out of this conversation. And you're accusing me of being afraid to undock when I go play LoL when there's nothing to shoot at? i didnt wanna point out the obvious haha You do know the guy triple to quad boxes in pvp at once right? So when you add up Cynthia Nezmor, Alexandra Sarn and Angelina Solette you might get an idea of a fraction of the kills he gets cuz we all know those are just the alts anyone knows about after flying for a few days around Aset...... The guy uses Two DDs and a cruiser at once to fight gangs of ships and holds an 80% efficiency..... I hope to one day be that good
Except multiboxing alts turns the game into a chore. |
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